[BITList] Fwd: 'Big lie' behind thebedroomtax:Familiestrappedwith nowhere to move face penaltyforhavingspareroom - UKPolitics - UK - The Independent

Wed Aug 7 23:04:57 BST 2013

Malcolm

it’s slowly becoming clear........there is a shortage of local council subsidised rental properties in some areas, so the gov’mint gives rent subsidies to families who need an abode but can’t get the council subsidised rentals properties with the lower rents and have to pay private landlords the higher going rate.
the gov’mint wants to reduce the rent subsidy by having families double up in smaller [and therefore cheaper] rental properties and/or move out of high cost areas to cheaper areas of the country.

while the plan might make fiscal sense, sounds draconian on paper – but as the republicans here insist, poor folk are irresponsible for not getting highly paid jobs, investing wisely and spending with prudence. If the poor were not so irresponsible they would be able to afford their own 3-story mansion.

Additionally, the poor should not expect food stamps and other ‘nanny-state’ hand outs. These benefits only make the poor lazy, they simply stay in their subsidised housing, watch their smart tv’s and guzzle beer a la Mrs. Bucket’s brother in law Onslow.

Colin

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Colin,

We lived in our own house and there was no subsidies from the state as far as I know in those days.

It is the Labour Party that called it a Bedroom Tax because the folk who live on state benefits and get their rent paid by the government and are living a house that is far bigger than their really need should be moved into a smaller house so they need as much rent for the government to pay out. In this country we have a lot of retired couples  living in 3 bedroom houses, if they moved into a smaller house the larger house could be rented to a couple who have 3 or 4 children. Personally I can not see any thing wrong with this policy but as Hugh has said where will the people go because the country has not got many small houses.

Malcolm.

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Malcolm

There is nothing wrong with sharing a bedroom, but did you receive a directive  from  ‘minister of how-you-will-live’ telling you that bed rooms are expected to be shared and how kids will sleep?

I was hoping some one would explain about bedroom subsidies which will be stopped if the occupants have an excess of same.

colin 

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Colin & Hugh,

What is wrong with sharing a bedroom if you are all the same gender. Me and my younger brother ( 4 1/2 years) slept in twin beds in the same room from cot age until I went to sea just before my 21st birthday. My mother slept in the front bedroom and we slept in the back one, both the rooms were the same size. The third bedroom was for guests.

Malcolm.

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Being in the colonies I have not heard of a bed room tax – so I researched it.

I do not believe what I see – surely it is a joke! 

Whose twisted mind came up with anything as bizarre as this? I don’t think Stalin at his best could not have dreamed of it.

The ‘minister of how-you-will-live’ is telling the folks bed rooms are expected to be shared and how kids will sleep – its unbelievable!

Enuf is Enuf here – bring out the pitch forks.

Or am I mis-interpreting the bedroom tax?

ct

How many bedrooms are you allowed?

The new rules allow one bedroom for each adult or couple. Children under the age of 16 are expected to share, if they are the same gender, and those under 10 are expected to share whatever their gender.

Following a legal challenge, the government said severely disabled children unable to share a room would be exempt - although campaigners say there is still uncertainty about this.

Disabled tenants will be allowed a bedroom for full-time live-in or overnight carers. If a full-time carer is a husband, wife or partner, then they will be expected to share a room. However, they can apply for a discretionary housing payment from their local authority if the disability means the partner needs to sleep in another room.

Discretionary support should remain in place for "priority groups" such as disabled people whose homes have had to be significantly adapted and those with long-term medical conditions which create difficulties in sharing a bedroom.

The number of bedrooms in the property will be determined by the landlord's tenancy agreement, so you cannot claim a bedroom is actually a living room.

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Hugh,

I think its getting bad and it is Govt. policy to screw the poor what with Zero Hour contracts and the Bedroom Tax.  It reminds me a little of the Poll Tax.  Riots coming ?

Mike
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On 5 Aug 2013, at 20:37, "HUGH" <chakdara at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Our next door neighbour has lived alone for a few years since her mother 
> died, and all of a sudden has two "extra" bedrooms that cost her £24 a week. 
> Her dearest wish is to get the hell out of it, but to where?
> 
> Hugh. 
> 
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