Mike, On 16/11/2012, at 18:47 PM, "M.j. Feltham" <ismay at mjfeltham.plus.com> wrote: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9682148/HMS-Astute-nuclear-submarine-beset-by-design-problems-and-construction-failures.html Not very astute eh? ooroo