[BITList] As kids we used to play "Cops and Robbers" - Now they play "Cops and Banks".

John Feltham wantok at me.com
Sat Sep 1 02:16:03 BST 2018 

G'day Folks,

Just read the comments bout this article.


I remind you that the present Australian Prime Minister voted against holding a Royal Commission into the Australian Banks and Financial Institutions - TWENTY SIX TIMES.

ooroo


 

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Kids used to have a game called "Cops and Robbers" now they have a new game called "Cops and Banks"
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They are not the only businesses with their hand in the taxpayer/customer/Government pocket. I have had an experience just yesterday when a service provider - health - tried to get me to utilise their service out of the normal schedule and said it could be bulk billed and they would claim it as "follow up: I would call it fraud. I will not be attending.
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The duration of the Banking Royal Commission MUST be extended or the public will always wonder what else was being hidden.
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I'm already wondering.
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So should the terms of reference be extended- to include the ramifactions of a failed debt driven 'free market" unregulated economy of which the scandals being revealed at the RC are but the tip of the iceberg. An inquiry into the ASX would be interesting.
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I wouldn't put my house on this RC being extended. It has already caused too much damage to this government.
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Brian Abbey We were repeatedly assured by the PM and ministers Morrison and O'Dwyer that we didn't need a Royal Commission because in ASIC we had a strong 'cop on the beat'. Even outsider observers knew that was false. Then, if memory serves, they quietly cut about $30mil from the regulator's budget. Now the ordure has almost covered the fan, they are trumpeting $70 mil of new money to support the 'cop'. All reporting on this subject should include [i] a balancing reference to those cuts and [ii] a warning that the problem of 'regulatory capture' remains unaddressed.
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I remember Kelly O'Dwyer talking about making ASIC the "tough cop on the block" over a year ago before they reluctantly agreed to the RC.

Does anyone seriously think they will come down hard on their mates in the banks? The banks are big contributors to the Liberals coffers.
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It's laughable that Kelly O'Dwyer should now be talking about the "the tough cop that all Australians need and expect" when forght so hard against the RC and further regulations.
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So the LNP government is trying to take the moral high ground...putting more money in, that they ripped out to start with, saying they are making it a "tough cop on the beat"! 
Who do they think they're kidding ? They NEVER wanted this investigation....for years they said it wasn't needed, when everyone knew there was corruption.. .
Will the short memories of the voting public punish them? I just hope the opposition frame all this the right way at the next election! 
To see the smug look on Morrison's face as he spins this is sickening.
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Folks, we are being set up ready for the big banks to take over our inustry super funds - Notwithstanding that these funds always outperform the banks own offerings ( What other KPI do we need) this government will allow the poorly performing managers from the banks to take over and cost YOU money just to indulge in yet more union bashing!
Money talks, unless it is Jo Average's money that is!
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It has always been the intention of this government for the big banks to take over industry super funds. Government ministers bragged in parliament that they were going to get rid of the union members of the boards and rplace them with their own lackeys. The government also said that it was not right that, in general, the fees of those particular funds should be lower.
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John Holznagel the fees in which "particular funds", John? Industry super funds eclipse the "for profit" super funds. That, the fact that the LNP's big business cronies get no benefit AND the industry super funds have union leaders on their boards really gets on the LNP's collective nerves. Chris Reed is on the mark - this is all part of a larger and occult intent. O'Dwyer goes into full witch mode when she talks of industry super funds; in stark contrast to the "we don't need a banking RC" LNP party line.
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I have no faith in AISC extend the Royal Commission and let’s find what else is hidden and then the goverment will not have to spend the 70 million.
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Jane as others on this thread have said, the LNP defunded ASIC by $30million just prior to the RC launch and Kelly O'Dwyer used to characterise it as "the tough cop on the beat" back then. So, really they're getting $40million and I bet at ground level nothing will change.
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Some thing has to give. I was skinned alive by my RETAIL superfund, it's bank owners and their insurance mob plus huge fees every year. When I took them to the Super Complaints Tribunal and they had to hand over all the correspondence, the thing that stuck out the most was an email by the super fund to the insurance company that stated " I told you this one wasn't going to go away." I won, then started my own SMSF to stick it up them. I'm sure they did the same thing with hundreds of thousands of members but our stories won't get told. Madame Defarge keep knitting.
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I'm glad you won. Without your stress and financial loss; the stupid retail fund could have been honest and still made money. Greed.
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The Government is engaging in an exercise of looking like it is doing something, whilst actually doing nothing. The idea of embedding ASIC staff inside the Banks resembles the process the Pentagon now uses to neutralise critical reporting of their war crimes. Embed people within an organisation and, as they are surrounded by, and become friends with, the people in that organistion and they begin to identify with them and the organisation. They then suspend critical judgement and find ways to justify the actions of their new friends. Works well for the Pentagon.
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Heads should roll following these revelations and not just some middle manager who is sacrificed. The CEOs and board members who presided over such blatantly fraudulent behaviour should be prosecuted and jailed. No hope for this with Turnbull at the helm.
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Cassandra Louise Barford
AMP had upper management staffers resign without forgoing benefits just after the RC launched.
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Will their be a fine for such Criminality?? of course not !!
Will Malcolm donate an extra $850 million to help out our poor struggling Bankers. I think so :(
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Wonderful, ASIC to be a tough cop! Pity this vigilant version of the regulator wasn't around to recognise the Trio Capital debacle - the largest superannuation fraud in Australian history when some 6000 Australians and their $176 million was lost or went missing. ASIC and APRA only started to shuffle their feet after a tip-off but then only stumbled forward ...... too late!

Bank penalties for no service fees could top $850 million
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Refunds and remediation paid by Australia’s major financial institutions over fee-for-no-service breaches could top $850 million, regulator ASIC said on Tuesday.

ASIC said remediations made by financial insitutions to date could almost quadruple when its investigations are completed. To date ANZ, CBA, Westpac, AMP and NAB have paid or offered customers $222.3 million.

The regulator said it has Bendigo Financial Planning Ltd, Police Financial Services Ltd, State Super Financial Services Australia Ltd (trading as StatePlus), and Yellow Brick Road in its sights. It also knows another five institutions have made provisions to remediate fee-for-no-service breaches.

“If all of these provisions are paid in full, FFNS remediation may exceed $850 million,” ASIC said in a statement.

The news came as former NAB super trustee chair Nicole Smith was grilled at the banking royal commission over further examples of the bank’s charging of fees for no service to superannuation customers. All up, to date NAB and subsidiary Nulis have paid or agreed to pay a total of $108 million to remediate fee-for-no-service breaches.

Ms Smith told the commission she did not believe fees charged on NAB employer super accounts without advisers attached should be refunded because customers were not able to ask for them to be turned off, as was the case with personal accounts.

Instead they had to ask through their employer and this situation was not covered in a product disclosure statement that was deemed misleading in the case of personal accounts.

At one stage Michael Hodge QC put to Ms Smith: “As the trustee, you have deducted money from members accounts in order to pay for a service that has not been provided to the members and now this related wealth entity is trying to find a reason to keep the money.”

Mr Hodge also called into question NAB’s ability to charge its so-called adviser contribution fee. He observed the fee was similar to the plan service fee that had been disallowed and refunded when it was found there was no service provided by the bank to customers.

While investigating NAB’s approach to dealing with the fee-for-no-service issues, Mr Hodge observed that the bank appeared to be asking the wrong question – whether it had adequately communicated the situation to its super fund members, rather than whether it should have been charging the fees at all.

NAB’s counsel Neil Young QC at one point tried to prevent the commission from making public a document that revealed how NAB had negotiated with ASIC over dealing with its breaches. After consideration, Commissioner Kenneth Hayne decided the document could be made public.

ASIC’s claims that refunds and remediation for misconduct by financial institutions could total as much as $850 million follows news the regulator will get $8 million in new funding from the federal government to embed staff inside major financial groups to help enforce the law.

The move was prompted by a lengthy review by newly-appointed ASIC chairman James Shipton. The embedding funding is part of a $70 million boost in the regulator’s resources amid the public and political focus on the royal commission.

“These new resources will ensure that ASIC is the tough cop on the beat — the tough cop that all Australians need, and expect, ASIC to be,” said Revenue and Financial Services Minister Kelly O’Dwyer.




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