[BITList] Interesting story on Luftwaffe Recon Over New York, a WW2 Secret
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franka at iinet.net.au
Wed Mar 27 03:27:13 GMT 2013
Colin
Thought the planes looked interesting anyone can see that its not true
frank
On 3/27/2013 9:29 AM, x50type wrote:
> Not possible – another hoax!
> [where do you dig these up from, Frank
> ..............................and why?]
> ct
>
>
> Kössler and Ott analysis
>
> Karl Kössler and Günter Ott, in their book/Die großen Dessauer:
> Junkers Ju 89, 90, 290, 390. Die Geschichte einer
> Flugzeugfamilie/("Great Dessauers...History of an Aircraft Family"),
> also examined the claimed flight, and thoroughly debunked the flight
> north of New York. Most importantly, assuming there was only one such
> aircraft in existence, Kössler and Ott note it was nowhere near France
> at the time when the flight was supposed to have taken place and
> therefore could not be in two places at once. According to Hans
> Pancherz' logbook, the Ju 390 V1 was brought to Prague on 26 November
> 1943. While there, it took part in a number of test flights, which
> continued until late March 1944.^[6]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_390#cite_note-kossler-6>
>
> Secondly, they also assert that the Ju 390 V1 prototype was unlikely
> to have been capable of taking off with the fuel load necessary for a
> flight of such duration due to strength concerns due to its modified
> structure; it would have required a takeoff weight of 65 tonnes (72
> tons), while the maximum takeoff weight during its trials had been 34
> tonnes (38 tons). Another explanation for this, however, is that
> prototypes are never flown at maximum gross weight for their maiden
> flight until testing can determine the aircraft's handling
> characteristics. According to Kössler and Ott, the Ju 390 V2 could not
> have made the U.S. flight either, since they indicate that it was not
> completed before September/October 1944.^[6]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_390#cite_note-kossler-6>
>
> *From:* FS <mailto:franka at iinet.net.au>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:51 PM
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> *Subject:* [BITList] Interesting story on Luftwaffe Recon Over New
> York,a WW2 Secret
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> *Luftwaffe Over New York, a WW2 Secret*
>
>
> *http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_17-mar-11-20-20/
> <http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_17-mar-11-20-20/>*
>
>
> *The Most Dangerous Photo-Recon Mission of World War II*
>
> By Jim Newsom U.S.A.
> On August 27th 1943, a German Luftwaffe long-range photo
> reconnaissance bomber, a Junkers Ju-390 took off from its base in
> Norway and flew out across the Atlantic Ocean. Among its four man
> crew was a brave and daring woman Anna Kreisling, the ‘White Wolf
> of the Luftwaffe’. A nickname she had acquired because of her
> frost blonde hair and icy blue eyes. Anna was one of the top
> pilots in Germany and even though she was only the co-pilot on
> this mission, her flying ability was crucial to its success.
> The Ju-390 was twice the size of the B-29 Superfortress. It was
> powered by six 1,500 hp BMW radial engines and it had a range of
> 18,000 miles without refuelling.
> *This was to be the longest photo-recon mission flown by an enemy
> airplane in World War II. Nine hours later, the Junkers was over
> Canada and swinging south at an altitude of 22,000 feet. In the
> next few hours, it would photograph the heavy industrial plants in
> Michigan that were vital to the United States.*
>
> *http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_18-mar-11-20-21/
> <http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_18-mar-11-20-21/>*
>
> *By noon on August 28th the gigantic six engined bomber was over
> New York City, where it finally was spotted by the US Army Air
> Corp. but by then it was too late. The Junkers disappeared into
> the vastness of the Atlantic Ocean, fourteen hours later, Anna
> would bring the huge bomber in to land at a Luftwaffe base outside
> of Paris.*
> Thoughts of this mission came to mind as I sat across the table
> from Anna Kreisling at a recent Octoberfest in Los Angeles. She is
> still quite beautiful with her icy blonde hair tied-back in a
> pony-tail and her radiant blue eyes, which have seen events in
> human history only a few of us could ever imagine.
> She had flown Ju-52 Trimotors into the streets of Stalingrad when
> it had been surrounded by the Red Army. Many times her plane had
> been riddled with bullets so badly that she landed with only one
> engine running while the other two were on fire.
> In 1945 she was assigned to fly the jet fighters that Germany was
> producing.
> One of these jet fighters was the Horten V9 flying wing. It was
> powered by two Jumo turbo-jet engines, which enabled it to fly at
> 600 mph. It was armed with two 30mm cannon and air to air missiles.
> Anna never scored any victories in the Horten. While taxing in the
> snow an American Sherman tank crew captured her after she had
> turned off the engine and pulling off her flight helmet they
> thought she was a movie star!! For the next six months she poured
> coffee for the US Army and did not spend one night in a POW camp.
> Everyone thought she was part of Bob Hope’s USO show!!
> P.S. An article in Air Progress magazine in the Nov/Dec issue 1965
> also talked about the Junkers Ju-390 over-flying Michigan and New
> York. This was held top secret throughout World War II and the
> Cold War.
> If you look in books they will say that only two Ju-390s were
> built, when in fact there were around 11 built. Also they were
> used in Odessa, Russia to fly to Japanese held fields in China.
> Very secret jet engines and technology was traded for raw
> materials. At Area 51 in Nevada the United States Air Force it is
> rumored has a Junkers Ju-390 it captured during Operation
> Paperclip toward the end of World War II.
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>
> *Notes:*
>
> 1) Anna was a test pilot so her mentioned with the Ho V9 (IX)
> prototypes is provisional as I believe that Pacific Flyer added
> the comments about it being armed and her never scoring any
> victories in it. It never became operational as the production Go-229.
> 2) What is written about her and flying jet fighters either refers
> to her test-flying them out of context or Hitlers order in March
> 1945 for 7-10 days allowing Hanna Reitsch to form a female jet
> fighter unit and them rescinding that order.
> 3) the Ju-390 production definitely is off officially as there
> were more than 2 of them in several different places during the
> war that the 2 could not cover. Historians lack the specific
> information on the other builds and especially usage from KG 200
> and also why the SS forbid Baur to use the Ju-390 as
> Führerflugzeug. It is believed that the aircraft in Norway and
> Prague were reserved for Himmler and Kammler instead and that
> Kammler escaped with the Bell Device in one of those.
> ————————————————————————————–
>
>
> *http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_19-mar-11-20-22/
> <http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_19-mar-11-20-22/>FLYING
> THE JUNKERS 52/3m at STALINGRAD*
>
> /By Jim Newsom/
> The following is an interview with Anna Kreisling – The White Wolf
> of the Luftwaffe- of what it was like to fly the Junkers Ju-52/3m
> trimotor in World War II.
> James: How many Lady pilots flew with the Luftwaffe in World War II?
> Anna: At the beginning of the war there were 50 pilots that flew
> transport aircraft, and there were many more who trained our young
> fledgling pilots, but both Hitler and Goering were against women
> flying fighters and bombers in combat. In Russia there were many
> women that flew fighters and bombers for Stalin.
> James: I have flown in the Ford Trimotor, The Junkers Ju-52/3m has
> always been one of my favorite airplanes, what was it like to fly?
> Anna: The Junkers was an amazing and beautiful aircraft to fly! At
> Stalingrad sometimes I made take-offs with only two engines
> running. If you had only one engine running you could maintain
> altitude. Visibility was wonderful, but the Junkers was a complex
> aircraft and you needed a great instructor if you wanted to learn
> quickly how to fly the trimotor.
> James: You mentioned Stalingrad, was that the nightmare we read so
> much about in history books?
> Anna: Stalingrad was a living hell, but what happened at Crete was
> far worse. For our airborne assault on Crete we had over 450
> Junkers Ju-52 trimotors filled with paratroopers. We were told
> that we would not encounter ack ack flak, and taking the island
> would be easy. However, the island was filled with Australian, New
> Zealand, and British troops who fought like hell and we lost over
> half our planes and troops taking that island. I was not there; I
> was lucky because I was based at France at the time. We lost so
> many good pilots and men at Crete. We would have won the war
> against Russia if we had saved those planes and men.
> James: Speaking of Russia, tell me about Stalingrad.
> Anna: For many years I could not talk about it, it was too
> terrible. Göring who had promised Hitler that he could re-supply
> Stalingrad from the air had no idea what he was talking about. Von
> Paulus and the 6th Army should have been ordered to fight their
> way out. But Hitler agreed to airlift when Paulus agreed to stay,
> that victory was near.
>
>
> *An Examination of Hitler’s Decision to Airlift*
>
> The Junkers Ju-52/3m flew 95% of all the missions into Stalingrad.
> Other planes also flew in this massive airlift, but the Junkers
> was the workhorse. The nightmare was crashing into Stalingrad
> itself. If you were captured by the Russians, they brutally
> tortured you before they would kill you. At Stalingrad we had over
> 7,000 women working in the German Army that Hitler wanted flown
> out because what the Russians would do to them.
>
> http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_20-mar-11-20-23/
> <http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/11/86523/screenhunter_20-mar-11-20-23/>
>
> At Stalingrad we had over 350,000 men fighting the communist
> hordes, but it was not enough. We didn’t have enough fuel,
> fighters, trained mechanics, and even decent runways to work with.
> I usually flew out of Tatsinskaya with food and supplies loaded
> aboard. I also carried three gunners, two in the waist position
> and one on top. At Stalingrad Russian Yaks were everywhere and our
> losses were grim.
> The Russian Yak was very similar to the British Spitfire, very
> manoeuvrable and fast. If they came out of the sun and caught you
> by surprise, it was all over. However, many Russian pilots made
> the mistake of approaching slowly from behind and that is when my
> young men would shoot them down.
> Once I heard of a gunner who ran out of ammunition, and in
> desperation threw toilet paper at the Russian Yak, and the Russian
> was frightened away by it!! The Russians did not know what toilet
> paper was, so this pilot probably thought the gunner was throwing
> a bomb at him. This trick worked many times.
> James: What were the casualties at Stalingrad?
> Anna: We lost 800 Ju-52 trimotors at Stalingrad, so many great
> superb pilots we lost. Germany never recovered from these losses.
> Hitler should have resigned and the High Command surrendered to
> the Americans and British. I only survived through luck and
> determination not to be captured by the Russians. It is easy to be
> brave with two engines on fire when the alternative is to be
> captured by the Russians.
> James: Is there anything you would like to say to the young people
> today?
> Anna: Yes, flying is a great adventure, it is a joy that is
> boundless, but try to do your flying when people are not trying to
> shoot you down. Flying into Stalingrad was not fun, but we had to
> do it, we could not let so many young men die. The future will be
> better for everyone if we could be at peace and flying could be
> enjoyed for what it is, the most fun that you can have!! The
> memories of flying the Alps in a Junkers Ju-52/3m will be with me
> forever!!
>
> .
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