[BITList] awkward bastards

[FS]

I can remember being asked by one chief engineer to rig the phone in the 
captains office so that he could listen in to the morning meetings held 
there between the purser, chief off, and captain, he went on to become 
commodore chief so there was certainly a certain amount of distrust if 
nothing else on that ship

frank

On 4/22/2010 4:20 AM, Ronald Thomas wrote:
> I'm not at all sure that ,as a former "deckie", I agree with your 
> social attack on my latter profession. True you have a valid point in 
> saying that the sea wasn't your only option to gaining a crust, whilst 
> we were set on the tramlines of our main and only available 
> profesion,whilst qualified that is.
> We too, and I certainly, had "run ins" with the senior members of my 
> lot and I generally found that rather than being an "arse licker", if 
> you had a valid point you gained a certain amount of respect for 
> having challenged their authority or assumed better judgement. There 
> was no point in doing the former as promotion,certainly on the deck 
> side with officers sailing with higher Certificate of Competency than 
> their Company rank implied, decisions, in the better class companies, 
> was done by HO and seniority in the company coupled to "dead mans 
> shoes". Engineers often say that oil & water do not mix, and whilst 
> that is true in a scientific way it was not the case metaphorically 
> with me when I sailed the oceans.I always viewed the thing that we 
> were all together in our own world, at sea and all dependant upon each 
> other. I never found at all any resentment from Engineers with whom I 
> sailed to the fact that I came from a different persuasion. BI wasn't 
> the only company that I sailed with either. Salaams  Ron Thomas
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* CT's <mailto:x50type at cox.net>
>     *To:* bit <mailto:bitlist at lists.bcn.mythic-beasts.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:48 PM
>     *Subject:* [BITList] awkward bastards
>
>     hugh
>     no one else is volunteering any anecdotes, so seems we were the
>     only 2 who crossed swords with awkward bastards on our journey
>     thro the seven seas.
>     guess we were just the black sheep of the flock.
>     generally speaking, and in my experience - deck officers
>     diplomatically kept their thoughts on ab's they may have
>     encountered, to themselves.
>     would being there for the duration dampen their dislikes of fellow
>     travelers, or was the idea of not rocking the boat have been a
>     ground rule for deck cadets?
>     perhaps, "grin and bear it" was a prime requirement of the deck
>     department's process of promotion!
>     I think we devil-may-care engineers had no such inhibitions -
>     there being many non-seagoing jobs available to us, so we were not
>     locked in to the life of a seaman.
>     we generally came from more common stock too - where the niceties
>     of kissing arse were vigourously  discouraged, and taking shit
>     from any jumped up punk was definitely out.
>     ct bad boy
>
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