[BITList] more alarm
CT's
x50type at cox.net
Sun Aug 9 22:37:12 BST 2009
ron
how many of the 88% (of what) that are satisfied with their health care have been hospitalized lately?..........................correct --- NONE.
if they had, they would have found that they were required to pay $40,000 of their $80,000 bill...............................................! that made them happy -- sure it did.
go ahead, prove me wrong.
you seem unwilling or unable to understand that health insurers are here to make AS MUCH PROFIT AS THEY CAN. They ARE NOT concerned with your health - now isn't that a surprise to you, ron?
why call names - fat, white? because I hate FAT, WHITE REPUBLICANS - the party of NO, with no answers to anything, just carry on the old- boy system and screw every one else, you know, "I'M ALRIGHT, JACK"
the nice thing about Sotomayor becoming supreme court justice is that it is another nail in the coffin of the FAT WHITE BASTARDS.
yes, take away their silly NRA play guns, take away their anti-abortion fanatics, take away their cosy jobs-for-the-boys system, stop the c street so-called christians palsy-walsying with world dictatorship via a religious maniac.
all that's coming to end end, ron...........................................................
scary times indeed.
-From: Ron
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:06 AM
To: CT's
Subject: Re: alarm
Google Saul Alinsky; he wrote the book on Community Organizing....Obama's Model
Sunday Shows full of Health Care.....Ceci Connolly has a good article from Washington Post in T/P.
Marsha Blackburn's web site quite useful......http://blackburn.house.gov/ She has posted some of the bills. The problem, and this is what people are seeking answers to, is What will be in the final Bills. Many of the politicians Don't Know, but refuse to say so.
When our MEBA Union started the Medical and Pension Plans in the '60's, we gave up substantial raises for several years to finance them, and sacrificed cash wages for employer contributions. I think most Unions did the same; NO gifts here....Benefits for Our Members and Families.
Poll, I think Rasmussen, shows 88% Satisfied with their Health Insurance.
Why call names? Fat, White? Contributes nothing.....
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, CT's <x50type at cox.net> wrote:
From: CT's <x50type at cox.net>
Subject: alarm
To: "Ron" <ronsutt at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:48 AM
ron,
eh! - don't know saul...........................................
but factually the MAJORITY of voters voted for President Obama. The MAJORITY of voters voted for change. The MAJORITY of voters voted for a national healthcare system.
a handful of fat old whites and their screaming wives are being paid off by right wing loonies who are funded by the health insurers, etc. to try to disprupt town hall meetings about the healthcare changes.
george sorros has the proper response to these nuts - he's flying in union members - dockers, steel workers, car workers (plenty of them willing to lend a hand) into these town hall meetings. let's see how much the fat old whites have to say when there is opposition to their rantings in the form of burly dockers.
what ever numbers are trotted out be either side has no real bearing on the healthcare - the MAJORITY want a single payer system - and will eventually get one. This may not be this time round - but it will come, it is the only way that the majority will be able to have health care. and, strangely enough, every one will, sooner or later, want/need healthcare of some description.
entertainers on tv and radio like limbaugh, hannety, beck, liddy, etc. are just that, entertainers - in fact some refer to hannety and beck as clowns, led by the fat white cigar chomping ring master limbaugh - they pander to the white minority who can't stand the thought of the eroding and evaporation of white supremacy, nor apparently the thought of health care for all. These comedians are racists who make a handsome living spewing out half truths, lies, conspiracies, nonsense and hatred simply because it's easy money. they are not academics or intellectuals and don't have the ability to make intelligent analysis.
clearly you and I will never see eye to eye on this matter.
ct
From: Ron
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:02 AM
To: CT's
Subject: Re: alarm
Let us use facts instead of calling names......right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.....
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CT's <x50type at cox.net> wrote:
From: CT's <x50type at cox.net>
Subject: alarm
To: "Ron" <ronsutt at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:42 PM
you are an alarmist, ron
as well as completely missing the point about health care.
the 16 million illegal's is nonsense dreamed up by rush and co -it simply isn't true like the death panels, etc. it really doesn't matter what the number is anyway.
but believe what ever floats your boat.
I'm just surprised that a life long union member can be so narrow minded - the union protected you most of your working life, now it's I'm alright, jack?
shame on you.
From: Ron
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:16 PM
To: CT's
Subject: Re: Health Debate Turns Hostile at Town Hall Meetings -NYTimes.com
I stopped reading at the 47 Million who cannot afford. Of the 47million, at least 11 million, est, are Illegal Aliens.....
The Problem is that we don't Know; several Thousand Page Bills floating around Congress. No Facts, nobody knows all that are in them.
I am all for Death Panels and conferences.....unfortunately many are not.
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CT's <x50type at cox.net> wrote:
From: CT's <x50type at cox.net>
Subject: Health Debate Turns Hostile at Town Hall Meetings -NYTimes.com
To: bitlist at lists.bcn.mythic-beasts.com
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:03 PM
mike,
unless you live in the usa, you cannot imagine the rancour the possibility of changes in the health insurance industry here is producing.
factually this is the present system......about 47,000,000 don't have health insurance because they cannot afford the $1,200 per month for a family or $400 per month for a single person.
even with health insurance the insurance companies completely dictates what they will pay for and what they won't - and this is after the fact, so when the bills are submitted to them they then start to pull them to pieces. this is in addition to the insured having a 20% deductible anyway. generally speaking, even if you have health insurance you will end up paying anything from 25% to 50% of the entire medical bill.
the average cost of a hospital stay is about $4,000 to $6,000 per week. there is also an individual gross cap on the cost of treatment. If you cannot pay your hospital bill, the hospital will sue you and force you to liquidate you assets (house, cars, etc) so they can be paid. many people are bankrupt after a loved one has a serious illness - this is not unusual.
you cannot get health insurance if you have a pre-existing condition.
many people who have health insurance through their employer (to which they contribute - it ain't free), cannot change jobs because someone on their family insurance plan has a pre-existing condition - meaning they cannot get new health insurance through their new employer who will have a different policy with a different insurer! accordingly, (policies are not transferable) the choice is change jobs and have no health insurance or keep health insurance and stick with the lousy job!
women over 62 and men over 65 do have a national government run health scheme (Medicare) for which they contribute about $90 month, this is deducted from their monthly pension before they receive it. no one is screaming and kicking to stop it and go to a private health insurance system. it provides reasonably basic health care - there is nothing to stop people in this scheme paying privately for more luxurious care through a private health insurer - a la BUPA in UK.
the annual cost of health care in the USA is $2,300,000,000, this is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense and is 17% of gross national product - it increases every year.
clearly there is much at stake for the health care insurance industry; they do not want to change the way they do business. it is a fact which they will agree with, that they are here to make as much profit as possible and not here to spend their money on your health problems....
BUT, can you believe there are people who want to keep the system outlined above?
if this was your remuneration package why would you want to change the present system? (this is the ceo of one of the insurers - others are similar)
Ron Williams - Aetna
Total Compensation: $24,300,112
Details: Williams earned $24,300,112 in total compensation for 2008, with more than half of that ($13,537,365) coming from option awards. He also received an additional $6,456,630 in stock awards to go along with his base salary of $1,091,764.
Personal use of a corporate aircraft and vehicle, as well as financial planning and 401(k) company matches added up to $101,487 for Williams.
of course you wouldn't; you are not bothered about the little people, you want the good times to keep a rolling. so the health insurers and pharmaceutical companies, etc. are now spending OVER $1,000,000 PER DAY on lobbyists, advertising, special interests groups and the like in order to PREVENT any changes to the present broken system. their latest tactic is to send shills into public meetings on healthcare. their job is to pretend to be a concerned citizen and scream and shout nonsense so the meeting is disrupted.
The USA is the only industrialised country WITHOUT a national, single-payer health system.
Our neighbour to the north, Canada has one - I don't see Canadians clamouring to privatise it. if they want better care than their system provides, they can come here and spend as much as they like. They are certainly not paying $1200 per month for their health service. If everyone in the USA was insured in a single-payer system, the average cost per employed person would be about $50 per week - deducted from their pay check. Apparently all these screaming shill and the buddies prefer to pay $1200 per month than $200 per month!
I don't think Obama and co are doing a very good job in stating clearly how a national health system will work and how it will be funded and how much it will cost a family compared to the costs now.
There will inevitably be a single payer national health system here whether anyone likes it or not. the country cannot sustain they present system; some thousands of people lose their health insurance everyday, the pool of insured will eventually be reduced so much that the system implodes, regardless of how much the insurers and fellow travelers hand out to lobbyists, sig's and fellow travelers.
The bubble will eventually break.
ct
From: Michael Feltham
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:53 PM
To: BIT List
Subject: [BITList] Health Debate Turns Hostile at Town Hall Meetings -NYTimes.com
I am sure that the majority of our UK readers support the National Health service with all it's faults. Can you imagine having to pay for all your medicines and treatment in the UK as we get older.
Mike
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